tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post4746272856726343840..comments2023-11-02T12:51:49.376+00:00Comments on Ruscombe Green: Stop compulsory vaccinationsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-67182382857700282302009-02-10T09:00:00.000+00:002009-02-10T09:00:00.000+00:00Even the Government have now seen sense - this is ...Even the Government have now seen sense - this is the statement No10 have issued:<BR/><BR/>In the UK, immunisation, along with most healthcare, is voluntary and is a system built on informed consent and patient autonomy. A parent cannot be forced to have their child immunised. There are currently no plans to introduce compulsory immunisation in the UK or to sanction parents who choose not to Philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03135990144492521067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-27621427110243223592009-02-10T08:26:00.000+00:002009-02-10T08:26:00.000+00:00You are culpable in the deaths reported here:http:...You are culpable in the deaths reported here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2164002/Teenager-dies-of-measles-as-cases-of-disease-rise.html<BR/><BR/>Not that you care.punksciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05322481220029985750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-73967161949116435982008-12-06T23:17:00.000+00:002008-12-06T23:17:00.000+00:00During the 20th century, it is estimated that smal...During the 20th century, it is estimated that smallpox was responsible for 300–500 million deaths.[7][8][9] In the early 1950s an estimated 50 million cases of smallpox occurred in the world each year.[10] As recently as 1967, the World Health Organization estimated that 15 million people contracted the disease and that two million died in that year.[10] After successful vaccination campaigns punksciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05322481220029985750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-87838611500637581772008-12-06T23:14:00.000+00:002008-12-06T23:14:00.000+00:00Pertussis vaccines are highly effective, strongly ...Pertussis vaccines are highly effective, strongly recommended, and save many infant lives every year. Though the protection they offer lasts only a few years, they are given so that immunity lasts through childhood, the time of greatest exposure and greatest risk.<BR/><BR/>Before vaccines, an average of 157 cases per 100,000 persons were reported in the U.S., with peaks reported every two to fivepunksciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05322481220029985750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-62624005331327042162008-12-06T23:12:00.000+00:002008-12-06T23:12:00.000+00:00Some anti-vaccine activists protest against the ad...Some anti-vaccine activists protest against the administration of a vaccine against mumps, claiming that the attenuated vaccine strain is harmful, and/or that the wild disease is beneficial. Disagreeing, the WHO, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the punksciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05322481220029985750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-17063884518381935652008-12-06T23:10:00.000+00:002008-12-06T23:10:00.000+00:00Measles is a significant infectious disease becaus...Measles is a significant infectious disease because, while the rate of complications is not high, the disease itself is so infectious that the sheer number of people who would suffer complications in an outbreak amongst non-immune people would quickly overwhelm available hospital resources. If vaccination rates fall, the number of non-immune persons in the community rises, and the risk of an punksciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05322481220029985750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-38016988369139648902008-12-06T23:07:00.000+00:002008-12-06T23:07:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.punksciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05322481220029985750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-42571785775273773962008-12-05T22:32:00.000+00:002008-12-05T22:32:00.000+00:00i note that punk science does not actually have hi...i note that punk science does not actually have his doctorate yet!<BR/><BR/>Perhaps he's counting chickens?weggishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04651722712995395981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-15738238114041485282008-12-05T10:56:00.000+00:002008-12-05T10:56:00.000+00:00I was just going to respond to an earlier comment ...I was just going to respond to an earlier comment when I saw the last comment - the above report says "We found that vaccinated subjects maintain what appear to be protective levels of neutralizing antibodies" <BR/><BR/>But hey having the antibodies is not the same as immunity to the disease. This is a very key point when examining individual vaccine studies.<BR/><BR/>Mass immunisation is one ofAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-37881843935251697932008-12-05T10:50:00.001+00:002008-12-05T10:50:00.001+00:00A new research paper on the effectiveness of Small...A new research paper on the effectiveness of Smallpox vaccine:<BR/>http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-11/ehs-nsi112608.phpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-25676794764305085812008-12-05T10:50:00.000+00:002008-12-05T10:50:00.000+00:00'punkscience' - Your colourful use of language and...'punkscience' - Your colourful use of language and personal attacks would be unacceptable in any Green party meeting that I have attended - or indeed most meetings. <BR/><BR/>You clearly feel strongly about the subject and I am more than happy to exchange views but insults don't help any debate and certainly will do little to change views - indeed if we are to change the world dialogue is one of Philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03135990144492521067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-49770893208444742992008-12-04T22:16:00.000+00:002008-12-04T22:16:00.000+00:00Correction: I am not a "fellow Green Party Council...Correction: I am not a "fellow Green Party Councillor", I am a bog-standard party member.punksciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05322481220029985750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-885507073452283522008-12-04T22:14:00.000+00:002008-12-04T22:14:00.000+00:00Might I just note that your previous post, entitle...Might I just note that your previous post, entitled "Welsh Assembly to kill badgers", opens with the sentence: "This plan is despite science showing that culling of badgers plays no part in the control of Bovine TB in cattle."<BR/><BR/>So, on the one hand, epidemiological studies concerning badgers earn your effusive endorsement but those concerning human children are to be condemned, yes?<BR/><punksciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05322481220029985750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-82002017219160771772008-12-04T22:02:00.000+00:002008-12-04T22:02:00.000+00:00Philip: I am a few months away from my doctorate i...Philip: I am a few months away from my doctorate in aquatic ecotoxicology so, considering my own biological background, I will conclude that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. A recent article in the journal Science- one of the most prestigious and rigorously skeptical journals (to which I can testify, having had a paper of mine rejected by its reviewers [it has now been amended punksciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05322481220029985750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-85402383346855318412008-12-04T17:23:00.000+00:002008-12-04T17:23:00.000+00:00One thing that always erks the atheist-skeptic peo...One thing that always erks the atheist-skeptic people is when you point out that science is based on unproven, and unprovable axioms, such as "energy can neither be created or destroyed".<BR/>And that to believe in science as having absolute answers requires one to have a belief system, regarding science.<BR/><BR/>Science is a beautiful tool, but the answers it provides as to how the Universe Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-76385736831292567282008-12-04T16:58:00.000+00:002008-12-04T16:58:00.000+00:00I do understand that things I don't understand can...I do understand that things I don't understand can still be true! As for science as a belief system....try seeing Stuart Sims who I was quoting - he and others argue, science and technology have taken on the dimensions of a belief system in recent times - see his book mentioned above or try:<BR/>http://www.projectdialogue.uwe.ac.uk/sim.htmPhiliphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03135990144492521067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-86516397192402524532008-12-04T15:19:00.000+00:002008-12-04T15:19:00.000+00:00Philip, you just referred to science as "a belief ...Philip, you just referred to science as "a belief system". Why is this? <BR/><BR/>Might I just pre-empt your answer by observing that just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it isn't true.punksciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05322481220029985750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-25048738766853910852008-12-04T00:30:00.000+00:002008-12-04T00:30:00.000+00:00Neither of my children were vaccinated against Who...Neither of my children were vaccinated against Whooping cough. That decision was not an easy one and was made in full knowledge of the risks either way.<BR/>But the decision was mine and Mrs Weggis, NOT the State.<BR/>Long may it remain that way.weggishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04651722712995395981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-26320365516652657322008-12-03T20:07:00.000+00:002008-12-03T20:07:00.000+00:00This is rubbish - of course we must have choice - ...This is rubbish - of course we must have choice - I can understand if some life threatening plague was hitting us but this is measles and the like - yes can be nasty - very nasty but let me make that choiceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-16037948419458012212008-12-03T11:12:00.000+00:002008-12-03T11:12:00.000+00:00Thanks for comments - as one of the comments above...Thanks for comments - as one of the comments above noted - This is a civil liberty issue, not a medical one - but not everyone considers our Western medicine approach to be right all the time - I remember a review of Stuart Sim's book, Empires of Belief, that said we need to be far more sceptical towards all belief systems, science included. <BR/><BR/>I am not convinced by all that I read about Philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03135990144492521067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-23191520403767312092008-12-02T23:25:00.000+00:002008-12-02T23:25:00.000+00:00Of course Philip, the X-factor rejects of this cou...Of course Philip, the X-factor rejects of this country know far more about the efficacy of vaccines than a bunch of health professionals. You wanker.punksciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05322481220029985750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-53642358958199782702008-12-02T17:27:00.000+00:002008-12-02T17:27:00.000+00:00The evidence around TB vaccination is even more st...The evidence around TB vaccination is even more stark in showing that it<BR/>was publich health / hygiene that caused the massive decline in cases.<BR/><BR/>Even if there was a clear case that vaccinations were perfect it should<BR/>be opposed. This is a civil liberty issue, not a medical one.<BR/>Medicalisation of life is wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-45406908196814036622008-12-02T15:05:00.000+00:002008-12-02T15:05:00.000+00:00We have knowledge of the long term effects of some...We have knowledge of the long term effects of some vaccines e.g. Smallpox vaccine was introduced in England 1798 Diptheria Vaccine has been in use since 1920 in the US...<BR/><BR/>From this we know that there are problems with vaccines. Ever since their introduction there have been reactions, some fatal, to vaccines resulting in billions of compensation being paid out in the US alone.<BR/><BR/>WeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28388669.post-40466809681269732162008-12-02T15:04:00.000+00:002008-12-02T15:04:00.000+00:00On the contrary vaccination has brought about fant...On the contrary vaccination has brought about fantastic benefits to the health and well being of literally millions - if not billions - of people across the world. The long term effects appear to be longer life, fewer debilitating after effects of so-called childhood diseases, fewer painful illnesses that people have to bear unwillingly. if only there was an effective vaccincation for HIV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com